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ChasKi 
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 Posted: Feb 28, 2012 - 09:13 PM
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jstile wrote:
Apple don't mass manufacture their own stuff. They source existing components and use some iterative/bespoke versions from 3rd parties. But it is all built with an eye on the end product, which is why the UI is often so slick. The OS and the hardware can be designed in tandem. This is more difficult for PC manufacturers as they have much less of a say in the architecture of the OS. Nice to see your argument based on supposition and 'imagining' though.
Thanks for trying to educate me, I'll save you the trouble; I'm already fully aware of the obvious benefits you posted about they just weren't relevant to my point.
The point was that the hardware isn't any better in a Mac than it is in a PC and that if you're buying on hardware Macs are a very expensive route.
jstile wrote:
Nice to see your argument based on supposition and 'imagining' though.
There was really no need for the crap you stuck onto the end of your post either, relax, go to Starbucks, get a coffee, kiss your Dad and let it go big boy.
In a similar vein..
jstile wrote:
At the end of the day nobody (well, the vast majority of people) is going to push their computer to the limit, so all this chat about 'you can buy a more powerful PC for a fraction of the price of a mac' is a bit redundant.
It's great to see your imagination is also very much alive and wondering about what all of those millions of people that you don't know at all are up to with their computers. I'll email Gates and give him the heads up that people are happy with an abacus attached to paper cups and string after all. |
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Posted: Feb 29, 2012 - 12:06 PM
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First post: Jul 29, 2009
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Yeh thanks for the dressing down there. I don't really remember saying that mac hardware was better but clearly I did so it's all good.
I was going to make some trite oneliner but thought it was better to respond like a person... the crap at the end there was a response to you starting your post with a big ol' "wrong" then not really saying why I was. In fact you pretty much said the same thing I did. At least I think you did. Maybe your intellectuctual argument just flew over my head.
It's cool though. Always fun getting a reaction out of people on the internet. Yours was an A++ 'big boy' |
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ChasKi
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Posted: Feb 29, 2012 - 12:13 PM
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Yes, we basically said the same thing 
I did qualify why I said you were wrong though, I even quoted it. You said the OS and hardware were built by the same company which isn't true but I guess that you were also driving at the same thing from a different perspective. Perhaps I should have gone for a subtler phrasing though, that I concede.
Fancy a cuddle? I'll bring the cupcakes.. <3 |
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Posted: Feb 29, 2012 - 12:22 PM
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I'm all for hugging it out
I kind of meant built in terms of putting it together, but can see where that could come across as meaning... well, built!
Anyways, glad to have reached a respectful resolution |
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Posted: Feb 29, 2012 - 02:01 PM
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Personally, having used all different types of hardware and software over the years, I think that for the vast majority of Apple users its much more a 'fashion' decision.
Thats not a negative and I don't have an issue with it at all.
As far as comparisons go though, I don't think theres any sense in comparing hardware as thats not where the issues/benefits lie. Laptop/Mac hardware is pretty much of a muchness.
Most people's issues with a 'standard' machine is Windows. The OS on a Mac is better at looking after itself than Windows and less people write nasties for it. Theres not really any question of that.
Thing is, the same people who spend their time learning a Mac for twice the price to avoid these issues in most cases isnt aware that they have other options and thats where Apple win over - Marketing. You can get pretty much exactly the same benefit by firing Ubuntu or Mint onto a standard machine at a fraction of the cost of a Mac (minus the annoying people at the Apple store).
In my experience, Ubuntu is just as solid if not more so, has a plethora of applications for just about anything you could want as a normal user and is absolutely free. My Ubuntu lappy is the nuts, so much so I only really use Windows at work or for Adobe Premier Pro at home.
Personally, having ditched my iPhone and iPad for better devices, I wont buy Apple again.
But at the end of the day, each to their own. If you can justify the cost and you really want an Apple, buy an Apple. If it doesn't sit right with you, don't. Really, its just like buying a BMW over a Ford. Both will get you there, but ones a hell of a lot cheaper. |
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ChasKi
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Posted: Feb 29, 2012 - 02:44 PM
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ChasKi wrote:
What you're buying is an operating system (and the user experience that comes with it) and a nicely designed, well constructed product. There's nothing bad about that, just be aware that that's the case.
Maybe that was lost in a wall of text, but my point with the hardware was just to iterate that there's no difference, really, to PC counter parts in a like for like situation. Which is important to inform less tech savvy people of, so that they're aware that the extra money to buy a Mac is not as a result of better internal components at all, as some people believe as a result of social and marketing hype and not understanding the difference between an OS efficiently using hardware or not making a difference in performance.
Might install ubuntu on my old laptop and have a look see. Did it years ago but sounds like it's come a long way. |
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Posted: Feb 29, 2012 - 04:05 PM
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Posted: Feb 29, 2012 - 04:30 PM
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ChasKi wrote:
Might install ubuntu on my old laptop and have a look see. Did it years ago but sounds like it's come a long way.
Defo come on massively.
Download the release and stick it on a USB stick. Change your laptop to boot from USB and you can run the entire OS off USB to trial it (without installing apps obviously). Doesn't impact your other OS.
Its come on so much my wife has been using it now for the better part of 6 months, with open office and Firefox (she's a teacher) without noticing the difference and with little to no time to pick it up. |
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Posted: Feb 29, 2012 - 04:32 PM
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Hahahahha
So, posting from Ubuntu as we speak (the version installed via Winblows as I don't have a USB pen/cd/dvd to hand) and I'm pretty impressed. I'd definitely consider running this on a laptop/netbook in future and to me as a novice having only used OSX a handful of times, it looks and feels very similar.
I'm also pretty keen on trying out their version of Ubuntu that meshes with Android smartphones when they release it.
Edit:
So.. I've been playing with it and have Steam running through Wine downloading a game at the mo, hoping it runs 
If I can get games to run decently enough through Wine I'll probably end up using Ubuntu for my daily stuff.
Edit2:
So I've got Tf2 up and running in Wine. Mostly fixed all the issues, only one that bothered me/I noticed anyway was/is a font issue causing stuff not to display correctly like player names etc. The game's totally playable though with everything on max video settings.
I'd also retract my prior statement about getting a Mac if you wanted that user experience. I'd now amend that to, try Ubuntu before you buy a Mac - could be onto a real winner by combining a reasonable spec (but considerably cheaper) machine with it as from my limited experience of OSX it feels similar. |
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Posted: Apr 19, 2012 - 11:37 AM
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| Just a flag with Ubuntu but it can be a pain to get working sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I am a fan and believe that once your system is stable you're set for life. But over time you're likely to have a few early mornings/late nights googling how to fix an issue that has happened after an install or an upgrade. Obviously this may just be because of my system / setup but it's a valid point. In terms of support you don't really have someone you can call or somewhere you can take your laptop and say "fix me". Also you may find it odd getting used to the interface - i.e. some programs don't have GUIs (pretty windows/icons) and are run purely by text. |
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